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Saeghe I/II. Azaraksh. Kowsar. Domestic F-5 E/F upgrades
#1
If anyone gets any details of the avionics and other upgrades of the F-5F that flew as kowsar, please post here along with pics and details.

Radar
Powerplant
Avionics
Armaments
#2
I'm confused..this is not kowsar 88 we saw conducting taxi tests...
#3
I suppose the avionics package on this aircraft will be used on Kowsar-88. They called it a new fighter for propaganda.

I am still considering it an extensive avionics package if radar is new.
#4
Yes,avionics is impressive and I suppose radar is new or upgraded

#5
(08-21-2018, 05:22 PM)admin Wrote: Yes,avionics is impressive and  I suppose radar is new or upgraded


I would doubt that radar is new unless its proven otherwise. Wishful thinking but anything on lines of EL/M-2032 will turn this machine into a useful CAP fighter. 

Imagine 100 % domestic F-5E/F with local J-85-GE-21 along with a modular designed PD fire control radar to fit into it and these newly shown avionics. If Iran can produce some 10 squadrons of such 4.0 generation fighters than they can at-least provide point defense and CAP against regional FOES. Not going to happen but its a step. sigh ....
#6
(08-21-2018, 05:30 PM)Emirzaad Wrote: I would doubt that radar is new unless its proven otherwise. Wishful thinking but anything on lines of EL/M-2032 will turn this machine into a useful CAP fighter. 

Imagine 100 % domestic F-5E/F with local J-85-GE-21 along with a modular designed PD fire control radar to fit into it and these newly shown avionics. If Iran can produce some 10 squadrons of such 4.0 generation fighters than they can at-least provide point defense and CAP against regional FOES. Not going to happen but its a step. sigh ....


How about local F110/TF30 (Tomcat Engine) in next Five Years ? 
Is that Possible ? Undecided
#7
(08-21-2018, 07:05 PM)Torch Wrote: How about local F110/TF30 (Tomcat Engine)  in next Five Years ? 
Is that Possible ? Undecided

I have no idea. I have never read anything on TF-30 being copied by any Iranian company. 

Scientifically everything is possible through Decision making + Finances + Engineering management.
#8
The radar possibly digitalise APQ-153 radar from F-5
#9
According to the aviationist, the real Kosar was not ready today

ran Unveils New Domestic “Fourth-generation” Fighter Jet. But It’s Just An Upgraded F-5F Tiger…
Aug 21 2018 - 0 Comments

By David Cenciotti
Iran claims it’s a new aircraft, but it’s just a +40 years old two-seat F-5….
Iranian media says that a new Iranian fighter jet was exhibited during the National Defense Industry show. Images released by various outlets show President Hassan Rouhani sitting in the cockpit of the new “Kowsar” plane, a “fourth-generation fighter”, with “advanced avionics” and multi-purpose radar.


However, the images and footage released of the “100-percent indigenously made” aircraft clearly show a quite obsolete F-5F Tiger.

Whilst the aircraft identification is easy, Iranian aviation journalist Babak Taghvaee has obtained some details about the aircraft who he has posted on Twitter. In short, the aircraft is a rebuilt F-5F that was equipped with some new digital avionics. For sure nothing comparable to a modern aircraft (like an F/A-18, a Mirage 2000 or more, such as a Eurofighter Typhoon, Dassault Rafale, etc.)


In fact, the aircraft is more a testbed for something more advanced than a real new jet.


So, the real new aircraft, dubbed “Kowsar” wasn’t ready for today’s presentation, therefore the Iranians brought the F-5F used to test its avionics. Neither the media nor the authorities disclosed this detail..


Iran is not new to such claims. You will probably remember the famous Qaher F-313 stealth fighter jet, an aircraft that was nothing more than a poorly designed mock-up that would never fly unless it was extensively modified and heavily improved: the cockpit was basic for any modern plane, the air intakes appeared to be too small, the engine section lacked any kind of nozzle meaning that the engine would probably melt the aircraft’s back-end. Above all, the aircraft was way too small to such an extent its cockpit could not fit a normal-sized human being.

Footage and photographs showing a new prototype (marked “08”) of the Qaher F-313 emerged last year as Iran’s President Hassan Rouhani participated in an exhibition: the “upgraded version” of the “faux stealth fighter” could be observed performing some taxi tests. Nothing serious in spite what Iranian Aerospace companies have been able to achieve in the past. Here’s what this Author wrote commenting the F-313 “farce”:

Iranian engineers have been able of some impressive achievements in spite of the embargo imposed after the 1979 Revolution: for instance, the Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force (IRIAF) remains the world’s only operator of the F-14 Tomcat, that Tehran continues to maintain airworthy and enhanced with some domestic avionics upgrades and weapons.

Moreover, Iran is pretty advanced in terms of production and export of drones: Iranian UAVs (Unmanned Aerial Vehicles) are quite popular in the Middle East, where some of them have been extensively used in combat over Syria.

Anyway, as with the F-313, the latest claims about the “new advanced 4th Gen. aircraft” are not based on a real aircraft with real capabilities but appears to be just a product for domestic propaganda.


Iran claims it has produced a new, advanced fighter plane. But the photographs show an F-5F. (All images credit: Tasnim News


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#10
I just looked image of radar and other components and radar is.brand new and also other components which makes this very promising when it comes to other projects and expecially upvrades for other fighters...There is not many countries in the world that could.produce 100% of the aircraft...in fact those are very few.Yes many countries produce aircrafts but with imported engines radars ..etc.
Not what we hope for but considering how much money they allocate....don't forget that many in Iran think that Iran should invest in Economy instead Syria and defense so I suppose government has to carefully invest money simce they don't want to bankrupt because of defense spending...
  


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