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Saeghe I/II. Azaraksh. Kowsar. Domestic F-5 E/F upgrades
IRIAF F-5 armed with R-60
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IRIAF F-5 armed with Chinese PL-7-Orange color for Chinese missiles means trining round(without warhead),it is generally analog to US blue colored training rounds(also without warhead)

To David Cenciotti, 

Starting a production line of a fighter jet, is a gaint step for Iran. It does not matter whether they have tested the advanced avionic and the new radar on  an old F-5F tiger or on newly built Kowsar fighter. The big achievement here is starting the production line. 

I red an article for a couple of years ago in Jangavaran predicting Iran will never be able soon to build a fighter jet, due to lack of metallurgy know-how and technology. Kowsar is a proof that this is not the case.

Promising only to deliver 15 fighter jes in three years, also knowing that they still has to import 25% of the parts indicates that still long way ahead of Iran, but nevertheless starting the production line is a giant step.

Jumping into Ghaher 313 discussion and mix the two topics  and adding  humiliating remarks will not cast shadow on this huge achievement.


(08-22-2018, 01:03 AM)Parsi Pride Wrote: According to the aviationist, the real Kosar was not ready today

ran Unveils New Domestic “Fourth-generation” Fighter Jet. But It’s Just An Upgraded F-5F Tiger…
Aug 21 2018 - 0 Comments

By David Cenciotti
Iran claims it’s a new aircraft, but it’s just a +40 years old two-seat F-5….
Iranian media says that a new Iranian fighter jet was exhibited during the National Defense Industry show. Images released by various outlets show President Hassan Rouhani sitting in the cockpit of the new “Kowsar” plane, a “fourth-generation fighter”, with “advanced avionics” and multi-purpose radar.

However, the images and footage released of the “100-percent indigenously made” aircraft clearly show a quite obsolete F-5F Tiger.

Whilst the aircraft identification is easy, Iranian aviation journalist Babak Taghvaee has obtained some details about the aircraft who he has posted on Twitter. In short, the aircraft is a rebuilt F-5F that was equipped with some new digital avionics. For sure nothing comparable to a modern aircraft (like an F/A-18, a Mirage 2000 or more, such as a Eurofighter Typhoon, Dassault Rafale, etc.)

In fact, the aircraft is more a testbed for something more advanced than a real new jet.

So, the real new aircraft, dubbed “Kowsar” wasn’t ready for today’s presentation, therefore the Iranians brought the F-5F used to test its avionics. Neither the media nor the authorities disclosed this detail..

Iran is not new to such claims. You will probably remember the famous Qaher F-313 stealth fighter jet, an aircraft that was nothing more than a poorly designed mock-up that would never fly unless it was extensively modified and heavily improved: the cockpit was basic for any modern plane, the air intakes appeared to be too small, the engine section lacked any kind of nozzle meaning that the engine would probably melt the aircraft’s back-end. Above all, the aircraft was way too small to such an extent its cockpit could not fit a normal-sized human being.

Footage and photographs showing a new prototype (marked “08”) of the Qaher F-313 emerged last year as Iran’s President Hassan Rouhani participated  in an exhibition: the “upgraded version” of the “faux stealth fighter” could be observed performing some taxi tests. Nothing serious in spite what Iranian Aerospace companies have been able to achieve in the past. Here’s what this Author wrote commenting the F-313 “farce”:

Iranian engineers have been able of some impressive achievements in spite of the embargo imposed after the 1979 Revolution: for instance, the Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force (IRIAF) remains the world’s only operator of the F-14 Tomcat, that Tehran continues to maintain airworthy and enhanced with some domestic avionics upgrades and weapons.

Moreover, Iran is pretty advanced in terms of production and export of drones: Iranian UAVs (Unmanned Aerial Vehicles) are quite popular in the Middle East, where some of them have been extensively used in combat over Syria.

Anyway, as with the F-313, the latest claims about the “new advanced 4th Gen. aircraft” are not based on a real aircraft with real capabilities but appears to be just a product for domestic propaganda.

Iran claims it has produced a new, advanced fighter plane. But the photographs show an F-5F. (All images credit: Tasnim News


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Iran is currently working on one more fighter aircraft and that is Borqhan or B92,this project is based on Shafaq and Yak 130,when it is introduced they said the B92 will now enter mass-production, where Iran will order 5 in 2020, and 3 more in 2022.
A symmetric or asymmetric weapon load, weighing up to 3,000 kg (6,600 lb) and consisting of various guided and un-guided weapons, auxiliary fuel tanks and electronics pods can be carried on 9 hardpoints: 1 on each wingtip, 3 under each wing, and 1 under the fuselage.

Crew: 2 pilots

Length: 11.49 m (37 ft 8 in)

Wingspan: 9.72 m (31 ft 10 in)

Height: 4.76 m (15 ft 7 in)

Wing area: 23.52 m² (253.2 sq ft)

Empty weight: 4,600 kg (10,141 lb)

Loaded weight: 6,350 kg (14,000 lb)

Max. takeoff weight: 10,290 kg (22,685 lb)

Powerplant: 2 × unknown afterburning turbojet engines

Maximum speed: 1,050 km/h (644 mph)

Cruise speed: 887 km/h (551 mph)

Stall speed: 165 km/h (103 mph)

Range: 2,546 km (1,582 miles)

Service ceiling: 12,500 m (42,660 ft)

Rate of climb: 50 m/s (10,000 ft/min)

Wing loading: 276.4 kg/m² (56.60 lb/sq ft)

Thrust/weight: 0.78

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When it comes to kowsar,it has decent capabilities for it's size ,it now have 4th generation multi purpose radar with modes TX-Pulse mode RWS(range while scan),TWS(track while scan),TX-CW(continuous wave)VS(velocity search),jamming/ew source detecting,ground mapping and precise imaging capability, thus it has built in EW and jamming module(all of this this can be concluded by observing MFDs and weapons management computer)..Wide range of different radar modes and techniques spoted on MFDs and weapons management computer in in Iranian upgraded F-4 along with pictures of F-4 and kowsar radars highly suggest they succeed to produce highly capable multi functional radar,very similar to Griffo...Iranian F-4 after upgrade can lunch wide range of smart bombs and missiles and also,one of the most important features of F-4 modernization is ability to lunch anti ship cruse missiles with range more than 160km...these anti ship cruse missiles are active radar guided+IR guidance as reserve guidance in terminal phase,with mid course correction/ins...also since Iran recently started production of iranian improved AIM-54 phenix air to air missile,it is probably missile we will see on Kowsar(it can carry 2x IR guided short range missiles and 2x fakour 90 without issues) and modernized F-4 since nothing stop Iran to integrate this missile since both radar and missile use solid state components and digitalized signal processing.Also Kowsar has datalink,gps and glonass navigation system....TWS capability(same capability which allows F-14 to engage 6 target and track 24 targets simultanesly)allows Kowsar not only long range BVR capability but also multiple targets engagemnt and tracking capability.Also most important feature of digitalization,along with survavibility, jamming resistance and ability to add ew and jamming module to radar itself is compatibility and very easy integrations and re-programming thing is even older missiles and other equipemnt can be easily integrated over analog to digital converters
This should be first non-ceremony image of Kowsar
Beautiful image of Saeghe
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Does Iran has any fighter program named F-513?
(04-17-2019, 02:45 AM)mastaan Wrote: Does Iran has any fighter program named F-513?
Not F-513...project is F-313 ,but also known as Qaher

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(04-17-2019, 02:45 AM)mastaan Wrote: Does Iran has any fighter program named F-513?

I saw pictures of F-513 online, may be fake pictures.
(04-18-2019, 03:27 AM)mastaan Wrote: I saw pictures of F-513 online, may be fake pictures.
Well,it could be...can't say without see it first...there are many photoshoped images these days,even most people don't do it because they want to fool you ...instead they just enjoy in doing it...If you have image,feel free to post it...we can than say more

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I think they have decided to just let go of f-5 fleet by using the current airframes for experimentations.

In the end we will have squadrons of Saeghe I/II, Kowsar, Azarakhsh all tech demonstrators.

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