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Bermuda Triangle Hoax Debunked
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god-parshuram, post: 644334, member: 194727 Wrote:Chinese rocket fell on residential area

https://twitter.com/cnspaceflight/status...5087912962

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/chinese-r...ea.644334/


Again a very very low IQ thread. Indian pot calling the Chinese kettle black!

And no surprise, when a more substantiated analysis is published on this most important and pivotal topic, it get deleted with a ban issued within minutes, on most spaceflight dedicated forums!

Here an uncensored repost of a deleted 2014 space forum reply:

Quote:To point an accusing finger at China, only shows how ill-intentioned one could be, as the problem of rocket stages falling and space debris reentry is far from being exclusive to China, but a common practice for all spacefaring nations!

Due to ignorance, this OP did not even mention that Chinese rocket also fall on houses in Laos, Cambodia and Myanmar, and this to the point that the Tatmadaw has even started the work on reverse engineering the Chinese rocket engines for its own space (ballistic) program!

European rocket stages on SSO flight, launched from French Guyana regularly fall over the Bermuda.

Russian rockets launched from Baikonour even fall as far as over China's Xinjiang territories.

French authorities have even taken the bad habit of simply not report in the metropolitan media the year long reentries of space debris over the French South Pacific Departments, a magnet for such incidents as it surrounds the Point Nemo known as the space graveyard.

But the worse of all, is the thousands of casualties caused by the U.S. space launches, since the start of its most secretive space program in 1945!

And to whitewash all responsibilities, the Pentagon has even craftily invented for this purpose its most infamous Bermuda Triangle smokescreen, a precursor to its other most successful Apollhoax!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Be..._incidents

Notice the triangle, familiar to any space modelist, as the flight path for all space/ballistic launches from Cap Canaveral, Florida!

Similar triangles can be associated with every spaceports: Baikonur, Kasputin Yar, Plesetsk, Vostochny, Sriarikota, Kourou, etc..

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https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/XpMa23...a2488293b6 ; https://cdn2.img.sputniknews.com/images/...401748.png ; https://in.news.yahoo.com/bermuda-triang...04823.html ; https://sputniknews.com/infographics/201...017402572/
1. The Death Triangles can be associated with every spaceports: here Cap Canaveral, Florida.



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将把地下军事设施挖到四千米超深,伊朗伊斯兰共和国一定能取得胜利!
  ——伊朗伊斯兰共和国总统马哈茂德·艾哈迈迪内贾德


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Hamartia Antidote, post: 11915097, member: 151235 Wrote:Are you on drugs or something? Go look at a map as to where Kourou is in French Guiana. Nothing is going to land in Brazil. @Vergennes


Playing stupid again? Invoking @Vergennes will not help, as he knows nothing about spaceflight (or pretends not to).

• Here an example of ESA's fragments fallout literally raining over the rainforest!
[Warning: graphic]


[plain]youtube.com/watch?v=PK_yguLapgA[/plain]
1. Flight 501 of Ariane 5 rocket launch explosion


On 4 June 1996, the maiden flight of the Ariane 5 launcher ended in a failure at an altitude of about 3700 m, the launcher veered off its flight path, broke up and exploded.

Reference:
http://web.archive.org/web/2019040408400...alma89.htm
http://archive.is/jZd6


• Here an other example of ESA's junk over Brazil, from Vega flight VV02 of 7th May 2013:

[Image: f46f320bbc73ec2d971f83adcc8630ef9bbb107a.jpg]
https://archive.ph/H4GM8/f46f320bbc73ec2...bb107a.jpg ; https://archive.ph/H4GM8/f114c0e50f88537...45/scr.png ; http://web.archive.org/web/2019112923395...R3N4VB.jpg ; http://archive.ph/N1VMW#selection-1105.96-1105.173 ; https://en.tengrinews.kz/emergencies/ari...ly-253315/
2. Rocket debris from Vega flight VV02 fallen over Brazil.

• Here an example of French state censorship, news largely ignored in metropolitan Europe!

Official 1st April 2018 report from the French Polynesia TV channel Polynésie la 1ère:

Debris of Tiangong-1 have crashed west of Maupiti, seen by several eyewitnesses describing the reentry as a meteor shower.

A fisherman told Woullingson Raufauore, the Maupiti Mayor, by radio that debris have crashed near his boat, close to Maupelia [also known as Maupihaa], as he saw the impacts on the sea.

This was the scariest experience he has ever been through, but unharmed, he tried nonetheless to retrieve parts the debris from the ocean "without success". He returned to the island in the same afternoon.

Note:
At 08:15, 2nd April 2018, Beijing time, it was 0:15 UTC, and 12:15, 1st April 2018 French Polynesia Time.


[plain]youtube.com/watch?v=lsNvMgWY6Bg[/plain] ; [plain]youtube.com/watch?v=3EnYbfVcEA0[/plain]
3. Le satellite Tiangong-1 s’est écrasé au large de Maupiti. Published on Apr 1, 2018


• Here an India ISRO junk from Ariane VA221 flight, launched on 6th December 2014, over Brazil:

Shame on India for recklessly smearing China while showering impudently the poor innocent Brazilian civilians with its space debris!

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https://archive.is/ct7nY/381e8c2eac117d0...b790c3.jpg ; https://archive.is/ct7nY/57ad921016c3396...39/scr.png ; http://web.archive.org/web/2019112923363...474506.jpg ; http://web.archive.org/web/2015120311364...41408.html ; http://archive.ph/oZ3wi
4. India's ISRO junk from Ariane VA221 flight over Brazil.

India better keeps its space trash from falling over poor civilians of Brazil before finding fault in others' space activities!


Hamartia Antidote, post: 11915331, member: 151235 Wrote:Did you even bother reading about that part from the Vega launch??? It's the payload faring. You do know what they are...right? It landed in the Atlantic somewhere during the satellite deploy and floated in MONTHS later.

Yes, rockets do explode sometimes but it didn't rain down on Brazil.

Not playing stupid, but sadly, effectively stupid!

From official report, the European space junk was found in a remote Amazonian river.

Meaning that if it floats it will always go downward toward the Ocean. It can not go upward from the Ocean an float to an remote part of the Amazonian river!

Quote:First published on Thu 1 May 2014 18.06 BST

A Brazilian fisherman has landed a wall-sized slab of space junk emblazoned with the union jack while fishing in a remote Amazonian river.

The fisherman, named in local reports as Manoel Alves dos Santos, 73, found the debris, which is believed to be from the launch of Europe's most sophisticated satellite, in the river Uriandeua.

http://web.archive.org/web/2014070317142...ris-amazon

Also reported here:
http://web.archive.org/web/2019052208320...unlfd.html

Hamartia Antidote, post: 11915359, member: 151235 Wrote:from the SAME GUARDIAN ARTICLE YOU POSTED

"The object found in #Brazil was fairing from the Ariane 5 rocket that launched AlphaSat #lostandfound," the agency tweeted. "It probably landed in the Atlantic and then floated inland," Julia Short, a spokeswoman for the UK Space Agency, told the BBC."

Do you really believe the rocket went straight up and the fairing came straight down and landed in Brazil???

Do you believe a payload fairing can swim upstream a river to a far remote place?

The map was cooked up obviously, as it was in a river far inland, not in the Ocean.

seven0seven, post: 11915349, member: 136709 Wrote:bro all rockets from french Guiana could go toward equator opposites to Brazil to save fuel, few accidents is exception bro
Bro, the Kourou launchpad is located 5°14'21.98" North, the equator is thus southward. Brazil is ...well not north of Kourou but south. Check google earth again if you can't believe!
Cool

Hamartia Antidote, post: 11915376, member: 151235 Wrote:No, launching near the equator has nothing to do with launching towards the equator. They actually launch in the other direction.

[Image: _44469103_kourou_launch416x235.gif]

It depends of the type of orbit, the inclination changes widely, thus the Death Triangle!

The map you posted might be related to the ISS, and in order to dock the spacecraft with it, the launch inclination is dictated by the inclination of the ISS.

Here an other example with the new Russian Vostochny Space Center, spreading widely depending on the orbits inclination: from 51 to 98 degrees!

[Image: general_satellite_info_1.jpg]
http://www.russianspaceweb.com/images/ce...info_1.jpg ; http://www.russianspaceweb.com/vostochny.html
5. Vostochny's Triangle of Death


Hamartia Antidote, post: 11915386, member: 151235 Wrote:Just give it up. I just showed how your post is rubbish..as usual.
Don't engage in a gun battle with a knife. Don't engage in a spaceflight discussion as a dilettante.

Hamartia Antidote, post: 11915407, member: 151235 Wrote:You should take your own advice so people like me don't have to debunk your posts as stupid.


Hey genius did you even notice the pic of the satellite in the top right corner of that flight path pic? Why would they send a satellite to the ISS?

The more you post the bigger the hole you fall into.

This deluded fool don't even know what he is posting! He googles and posts what seems appealing to his eyes, but with his limited cognitive capabilities he can not even understand that this only contradicts his demonstration!

The image is precisely illustrating the launch of the European Automated Transfer Vehicle (ATV), an unmanned cargo ship that is intended to carry up to 7.6 tonnes of supplies to the International Space Station (ISS).

[Image: _44469103_kourou_launch416x235.gif]

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http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44...416jpg.jpg ; http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7278414.stm
6. ATV docking with the ISS


Source:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7278414.stm

Now from the European Space Agency's official website:

In broad terms, all regions of the Earth are affected by re-entries as can be seen below, where the predicted re-entry location is given for all the satellites and launcher stages which re-entered prior to November 2016 from a circular orbit:

[Image: recovereddebris_predicted.png]
http://web.archive.org/web/2017031605180...dicted.png ; https://reentry.esoc.esa.int/files/publi...dicted.png ; http://web.archive.org/web/2019120520402...ereddebris
7. Space rocket debris as predicted by 2016.

But only a fraction is recovered:

We see clearly that no less than 7 impacts can be counted in Brazil alone! And not from indigenous rocket launches! (read: from Europeans)

[Image: recovereddebris_recovered.png]
http://web.archive.org/web/2017031605182...overed.png ; https://reentry.esoc.esa.int/files/publi...overed.png ; http://web.archive.org/web/2019120520402...ereddebris
8. Space rocket debris as reported by 2016.

Source:
http://web.archive.org/web/2019120520402...ereddebris

In a nutshell, China is no exception. But the difference is that China gives a pre-warning to the people and after the impacts, it will pay compensations. While the U.S. is escaping all responsibilities, paying zilch to the thousands of victims' families, while blaming it on Aliens and UFOs!

Shame on this criminal junta!

Don't reply, only to spare yourself from further humiliations!Rolleyes


Hamartia Antidote, post: 11916936, member: 151235 Wrote:OMG Are you going to make me post videos of all the launches for the last 10 years showing how the flight paths never go over Brazil.







This situation is so cruel, that not only Brazil is peppered by European space junks, but by allowing these mischiefs unchecked for too long, now even Indonesia will be showered with their garbages!

From the official European Space Agency website:

Designated impact for the upper stage of Ariane-6 west of Indonesia:

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http://archive.ph/gMYTZ/1b604c31e4be5f4c...540838.jpg ; https://archive.ph/gMYTZ/7f0c715f061ae81...3d/scr.png ; [plain]https://i.imgur.com/5J6gkPW.jpg[/plain] ; https://www.arianespace.com/ariane-6/ ; https://www.arianespace.com/wp-content/u...h-2018.pdf
9. Designated impact for the upper stage of Ariane-6 west of Indonesia.

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只要伊朗伊斯兰共和国革命军卫队挖到两千五百米特深,就肯定能对付敌方的入侵威胁,
将把地下军事设施挖到四千米超深,伊朗伊斯兰共和国一定能取得胜利!
  ——伊朗伊斯兰共和国总统马哈茂德·艾哈迈迪内贾德


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Hamartia Antidote, post: 11916936, member: 151235 Wrote:OMG Are you going to make me post videos of all the launches for the last 10 years showing how the launch paths never go over Brazil.
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https://archive.is/pWUwL/33f257b6227e0f6...7c17ac.jpg ; https://archive.is/pWUwL/f5b53a7d72cefdd...5d/scr.png ; http://web.archive.org/web/2019120601095...pg.592138/ ; https://defence.pk/pdf/attachments/scree...pg.592138/
1. Space launch from Kourou

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https://archive.ph/kR5gV/b5e8bf3f15f2f2c...9dc12a.jpg ; https://archive.ph/kR5gV/f6350ee8992ed2b...69/scr.png ; http://web.archive.org/web/2019120601125...pg.592139/ ; https://defence.pk/pdf/attachments/scree...pg.592139/
2. Space launch from Kourou

One page of threadjacking by the usual team of professional trolls, with the obvious connivence of the mod...and for a reason, as the thread has miserably and totally backfired on the OP, and beyond repair!

And indeed, as he who is born a fool is never cured, posting the ground path of the Vega SLV on a SSO mission, is an indictment in itself! Shooting one's own feet, sort of speak.

As we clearly see that Europe is recklessly dumping its rocket stages on ... the western edges of the said Bermuda Triangle of Death!

With deadly consequences.

For illustration, the Ariane-6 SLV that shares with other European launchers on a SSO flight a very similar ground path, and that also dumps its rockets stages (ESR and LLPM stages) in the Bermuda Triangle:

[Image: 1b604c31e4be5f4cac1925a440a9753ece540838.jpg]
http://archive.ph/gMYTZ/1b604c31e4be5f4c...540838.jpg ; https://archive.ph/gMYTZ/7f0c715f061ae81...3d/scr.png ; [plain]https://i.imgur.com/5J6gkPW.jpg[/plain] ; https://www.arianespace.com/ariane-6/ ; https://www.arianespace.com/wp-content/u...h-2018.pdf
1. Designated impact for the ESR and LLPM stages of Ariane-6 west of the Bermuda Triangle of Death.

Now more potentially deadly horror stories made in Europe, from the last two years alone:

European Rocket Debris Falling Over Africa

Ariane 5 Debris (ID 40616)
Int'l Designation: 2015-022D
Predicted Reentry Time: 10 Mar 2019 06:51 UTC ± 4 hours
Mission: THOR 7 Communications Satellite

https://aerospace.org/node/20841

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http://archive.ph/HExCy/beb9c8871ca432c9...84b9f5.jpg ; https://archive.ph/HExCy/ea97c8b5d46aa0c...47/scr.png ; http://web.archive.org/save/_embed/https...k=P47AV1Y7 ; http://web.archive.org/web/2019120321583...node/20841 ; http://archive.ph/5DKSv
1. Ariane 5 Debris (ID 40616) falling over Africa

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Ariane 5 Debris (ID 31309)
Int'l Designation: 2007-016D
Predicted Reentry Time: 03 Apr 2018 12:09 UTC ± 1 hour  
Mission: Astra 1L Communications Satellite

https://aerospace.org/node/991

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http://archive.ph/tCX8s/b1ee08fb6367e8bf...c41e51.png ; https://archive.ph/tCX8s/8275a5c8be4c3ed...39/scr.png ; http://web.archive.org/web/2019120322021...k=gvH2feOu ; http://web.archive.org/web/2019120322101...g/node/991 ; http://archive.ph/knuPQ
2. Ariane 5 Debris (ID 31309) falling over Africa

European Rocket Debris Falling Over South America

Ariane 5 Debris (ID 37267)
Int'l Designation: 2010-070D
Predicted Reentry Time: 28 Oct 2018 21:58 UTC ± 1 hour
Mission: Hispasat 1E and Koreasat 6 Satellites

https://aerospace.org/node/3811

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http://archive.ph/BN0Xh/bdd052e495205227...adfcc0.jpg ; https://archive.ph/BN0Xh/5ae6dfa37407efb...d8/scr.png ; http://web.archive.org/web/2019120322170...k=zXds6WBh ; http://web.archive.org/web/2019120322194.../node/3811 ; http://archive.ph/nleBc
3. Ariane 5 Debris (ID 37267) falling over South America


European and Indian Rocket Debris Falling Over The Atlantic

That mischief below is from the Indian Space Agency:

GSLV Rocket Body (ID 43242)
Int'l Designation: 2018-027B
Predicted Reentry Time: 03 Dec 2019 08:44 UTC ± 2 hours
Mission: GSAT-6A Communications Satellite

https://aerospace.org/node/31246

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http://archive.ph/rW5vX/608857bed83c9e9b...0f2fce.jpg ; https://archive.ph/rW5vX/1418fb5a0904f10...32/scr.png ; http://web.archive.org/web/2019120322262...k=8z9F9sFL ; http://web.archive.org/web/2019120322294...node/31246 ; http://archive.ph/amj7N
4. GSLV Rocket Body (ID 43242) falling over the Atlantic


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Ariane 5 Debris (ID 40335)

Int'l Designation: 2014-078D
Predicted Reentry Time: 15 Jun 2019 05:32 UTC ± 3 hours
Mission: GSAT 16 Communications Satellite

https://aerospace.org/node/26441

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http://archive.ph/J7xzJ/a08f29cb175b89b5...cc65f0.jpg ; https://archive.ph/J7xzJ/558f4a66b71607c...00/scr.png ; http://web.archive.org/web/2019120322445...node/26441 ; http://archive.ph/woG9Z
5. Ariane 5 Debris (ID 40335) falling over the Atlantic


UFO? Aliens? Pitot? Whatever! The Darwin Award of the year goes to Europe.

Note that they had to work extra hard to find an excuse for that one, something pedantic enough so nobody could understand, least contest!

Quote:Death in the Atlantic: The Last Four Minutes of Air France Flight 447 - SPIEGEL ONLINE - International

February 25, 2010  04:17 PM

The crash of Air France flight 447 from Rio to Paris last year is one of the most mysterious accidents in the history of aviation. After months of investigation, a clear picture has emerged of what went wrong. The reconstruction of the horrific final four minutes reveal continuing safety problems in civil aviation.
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Air France flight 447 had been in the air for three hours and 40 minutes since taking off from Rio de Janeiro on the evening of May 31, 2009.
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Suddenly the gauge indicating the external temperature rose by several degrees, even though the plane was flying at an altitude of 11 kilometers (36,000 feet) and it hadn't got any warmer outside.
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One alarm after another lit up the cockpit monitors. One after another, the autopilot, the automatic engine control system, and the flight computers shut themselves off. "It was like the plane was having a stroke"
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The final minutes of flight AF 447 had begun. The plane plunged into the ocean, killing all 228 people on board.
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Few airline crashes in recent years have subsequently unnerved passengers to quite the same extent. "How was it possible that an Airbus from such an apparently safe airline could simply disappear?" they wondered.

http://web.archive.org/web/2019072016382...79980.html


To sum up, this low IQ OP simply thinks that while it doesn't directly kill some fellow citizens in India, a rocket launch could be deemed safer than the Chinese one, albeit rocket stages will knowingly fall in other's territories far away!

Just like the Vikram lunar lander, it never crashed. Of course.

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只要伊朗伊斯兰共和国革命军卫队挖到两千五百米特深,就肯定能对付敌方的入侵威胁,
将把地下军事设施挖到四千米超深,伊朗伊斯兰共和国一定能取得胜利!
  ——伊朗伊斯兰共和国总统马哈茂德·艾哈迈迪内贾德


  


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