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Russia, China Offering Iran Fighter Jets Sales
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TEHRAN (FNA)- Iran's Deputy Defense Minister General Abdolkarim Banitorofi said that his country is waiting for the removal of arms embargos to study purchase of fighter jets from different countries, including Russia and China.

"Different countries send us proposals and relevant discussions and negotiations are also held on them but all of them depend on the end of arms embargos against Iran (14 months later based on the 2015 nuclear deal)," General Banitorofi, also Head of Iran Aviation Industries Organization, said on the sidelines of the MAKS 2019 exhibition in Russia on Thursday.
"The Russians and Chinese have raised some proposals to us and of course, we have our proposals too," he added.
Elsewhere, General Banitorofi announced that Iran is due to cooperate with a friendly country in the production of training planes, but declined to name the country.
He also described Iran as one of the most advanced countries in manufacturing and exporting drones, and said, "Even Russia has demanded to purchase some of our drones and we should study the proposal and take necessary permissions for it."
Iran last September unveiled its first home-made fighter jet named Kosar which is equipped with avionics (aviation electronics) and fire-control systems.
Kosar was unveiled in a ceremony participated by Iranian President Hassan Rouhani in Tehran who ordered the fighter jet to fly.
The new fighter jet uses the fourth generation of military digital network and is equipped with heads-up display (HUD) system to increase the precision-striking power of weapons, advanced and multi-purpose radar for fire-control to boost the precision to trace the targets and threats and high-precision navigation system.
Kosar can be manufactured in two types of single-cockpits and double-cockpits and the second type can be used for training pilots in addition to enjoying combat capabilities.
According to the Iranian officials, the fighter jet is a supersonic combat plane different from the training Kosar 88 plane unveiled in April 2017. 
Meantime, Army Lieutenant Commander Brigadier General Mohammad Hossein Dadras announced early September that Kosar had gone on line for mass-production.
"The defense ministry, in cooperation with the Air Force, is mass-producing the fighter jet," General Dadras said.
He added that Kosar had undergone different ground and air operational tests by the Iranian Air Force experts for numerous hours.
"We have ordered this fighter jet for the Army," General Dadras said.


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#2
Sanctions are the major reason Iran is not a much more powerful nation no sanctions Iran will rapidly turn into a juggernaut that wont be messed with
#3
My vote is with China. 50+ J-10C with PL-15 AAM would be a good purchase.

Russia showed already that if there are sanctions against Iran, they will not even sell defensive weapons after a contract is signed.

China today shows that it imports 900k bpd of oil from Iran despite illegal US sanctions designed to bring Iran's oil exports to 0.


In other words, China can and does resist the US, Russia does not.
#4
Yes, Russia plays its own game. But we dont know what happened behind scenes. It also could be that Russia offer Mig-35 to Iran. Who knows? An own production line for Turbofan and for Fighter is still essential for Iran even they can buy a lot of Birds in 2 years
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(08-29-2019, 05:02 PM)Ich Wrote: Yes, Russia plays its own game. But we dont know what happened behind scenes. It also could be that Russia offer Mig-35 to Iran. Who knows? An own production line for Turbofan and for Fighter is still essential for Iran even they can buy a lot of Birds in 2 years
The problem is that Iran cannot hope that sanctions don't get applied again in order to buy fighter jets. So the safer option is to go with China, which shows every day it imports Iranian oil that it defies sanctions. 

But if Russia offers a very good deal for s-35 or s-30 then Iran should take it, otherwise I prefer J-10C + PL-15...
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Yes, china would be an option, too. Me is no Iranian, so me have little to none to say. But me would prefer if Iran get the blueprints ect. of RD-33 and help of Russia to build a production line for this engine. Iran has no problem to build airframes or avionics ect., only needs a turbofan.
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(08-29-2019, 04:48 PM)Persian Gulf Wrote: My vote is with China. 50+ J-10C with PL-15 AAM would be a good purchase.
Russia showed already that if there are sanctions against Iran, they will not even sell defensive weapons after a contract is signed.
China today shows that it imports 900k bpd of oil from Iran despite illegal US sanctions designed to bring Iran's oil exports to 0.
In other words, China can and does resist the US, Russia does not.


All Chinese serial J-10 still manufactured with Russian AL-31 engines, therefore, in any case, it will be necessary to negotiate with Russia.
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(08-30-2019, 12:46 PM)Navigator Wrote: All Chinese serial J-10 still manufactured with Russian AL-31 engines, therefore, in any case, it will be necessary to negotiate with Russia.
I doubt Russia will veto a Chinese export deal to Iran worth billions.
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(08-30-2019, 02:30 PM)Persian Gulf Wrote: I doubt Russia will veto a Chinese export deal to Iran worth billions.

Maybe if they wanted Iran to buy Russian planes...

The dream is for Iran to buy J-31 or even Su-57, but I think there are probably issues of political will in both buyer and seller. In any case, the Su-30SM/Su-35 are great 4.5 gen fighters, as are the latest models of the J-10. I would prefer the Flankers for their higher capability.

One thing I have to wonder is the will of Russia to give some form of license production via kits or even TOT. I'd completely understand if they reject it but it's something Iran needs deeply to supply spare parts in times of war where Russia may be unable/unwilling to provide them ala Sacred Defence.
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One have to bear in mind that Iran cant buy for billions and billions. Also it is not only planes, its also infrastructure, maintenance ect. - that all costs and and costs and costs cause Iran would not allowed to produce the spare parts. So better Iran gets a turbofan in license and build the airframes ect. by itself.
  


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