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Rebuild the IRIAF
#21
(08-16-2018, 08:38 AM)AmirPatriot Wrote: Put the F-4, Mirage, Su-22 into storage. Replace all with Su-30SME and 1 more squadron of Su-35.

Mirages, Su-22 are indeed a maintenance burden because they add no value. Both are obsolete machines. 

But they can be given to IRGC. Some 55-60 strike fighters will mean something if armed with LR-LACM's and AShCM's. They can target sea and coastal assets of KSA and Emirates from within the Iranian air, guarded by IRIAF and AD.

F-4E/D retirement will depend upon the mere fact that how much extensive the Doran up-gradation program is. If it really includes new generation and longer range PD radar, new Chinese armaments and combat suite then yes keeping well integrated 4 squadrons will not hurt IRIAF. They can serve as stop gap fighters before domestic production of Su-30SM starts yielding out 20 fighters at-least per year. 44-45 x F-4E/D can later go to IRGC as well. 

Su-30SM/SME/27-MK3 will probably be unveiled as a local machine to dodge the legal issues. Su-35S is beyond Iranian reach,

(08-16-2018, 08:18 AM)07_SeppDietrich Wrote: Hey mate it is "alternate timeline"
And also about Su-35 i read southfront that said that Def minister Dehgan said he wants 18 Su-30 and 8 Su-35 from Russia but Russia insist to buy Su-27MS3


I have never seen any report of Dehghan wanting Su-35. I know the origin point of this 18+8 story, but as far as I know it was not true.
#22
(08-17-2018, 03:05 PM)Emirzaad Wrote: Mirages, Su-22 are indeed a maintenance burden because they add no value. Both are obsolete machines. 

But they can be given to IRGC.

I don't understand the insistence on giving any fast jets to the IRGC. If Iran is going to operate fast jets of any kind, they should be in the hands of a well funded IRIAF. Handing them to the IRGC just means you have to fund a different service, it doesn't make the funding problem go away. Besides IRIAF already have the airbases and the infrastructure to host large numbers of fast jets (especially F-4s). Unless you want to hand IRIAF airbases to IRGC which is a bad idea.
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#23
(08-18-2018, 12:06 PM)AmirPatriot Wrote: I don't understand the insistence on giving any fast jets to the IRGC. If Iran is going to operate fast jets of any kind, they should be in the hands of a well funded IRIAF. Handing them to the IRGC just means you have to fund a different service, it doesn't make the funding problem go away. Besides IRIAF already have the airbases and the infrastructure to host large numbers of fast jets (especially F-4s). Unless you want to hand IRIAF airbases to IRGC which is a bad idea.

MF-1, Su-22 add nothing to IRIAF operational capability. IRGC can upgrade them locally so that can launch LR-LACM, AShCM against PG hostile assets. IRGC are trusted military arm of the Mullahs so funding is less of a problem for them compared to IRIAF. IMO IRGC-AF should take up the air attack role solely with ~90 x Su-24MK2, MF-1EQ, Su-22M3/M4 can launch LACM, AShCM attacks on advancing enemy assets in PG from safe distance guarded by resurrected IRIAF comprising of Su-30SME, F-14AM, Mig-29 SMT+Mig-35, F-4E/D. Enemy planes will be met by layers of some 160-170 fighters of these types along with AEW. When TOT starts yielding out more numbers of Su-30SME then F-4E/D fleet can be given to IRGC-AF as well. 

F-7N, F-5EF can be put in storage. They are burden.
#24
(08-19-2018, 01:17 AM)Emirzaad Wrote: MF-1, Su-22 add nothing to IRIAF operational capability. IRGC can upgrade them locally so that can launch LR-LACM, AShCM against PG hostile assets. IRGC are trusted military arm of the Mullahs so funding is less of a problem for them compared to IRIAF. IMO IRGC-AF should take up the air attack role solely with ~90 x Su-24MK2, MF-1EQ, Su-22M3/M4 can launch LACM, AShCM attacks on advancing enemy assets in PG from safe distance guarded by resurrected IRIAF comprising of Su-30SME, F-14AM, Mig-29 SMT+Mig-35, F-4E/D. Enemy planes will be met by layers of some 160-170 fighters of these types along with AEW. When TOT starts yielding out more numbers of Su-30SME then F-4E/D fleet can be given to IRGC-AF as well. 

F-7N, F-5EF can be put in storage. They are burden.

Orrrrr the IRIAF stays what it is and always has been, which is Iran's only major air warfare arm. The IRIAF's performance in the war was great, with both offensive and defensive capabilities under its wing, not split up and given to someone else.

And however certain the IRGC would be to get its budget, it would still eat into the budget of other services. The money has to come from somewhere.
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#25
(08-19-2018, 04:07 PM)AmirPatriot Wrote: Orrrrr the IRIAF stays what it is and always has been, which is Iran's only major air warfare arm. The IRIAF's performance in the war was great, with both offensive and defensive capabilities under its wing, not split up and given to someone else.

And however certain the IRGC would be to get its budget, it would still eat into the budget of other services. The money has to come from somewhere.

Money comes from Mullahs who see IRGC as their trusted wing. You can do the math.
#26
(08-19-2018, 09:11 PM)Emirzaad Wrote: Money comes from Mullahs who see IRGC as their trusted wing. You can do the math.


Again, at the expense of other services.
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#27
I am getting sick of these jew jets flying around freely over Syria with no hindrance. USAF or USN-AF are not bombing Iranian or Syrian assets. Israel is doing that. Iranian allies and assets are exposed to Israeli air power. Iran and its allies need to come up with a joint program to create a potent fighter jet that can guard their militias and assets. This Azarakhsh/Saeghe/Kowsar program is perfect in sense that cost is low and they can provide air cover as well. I am thinking of final product of this F-5A/E/F R&D project.
#28
(09-21-2018, 01:14 AM)Emirzaad Wrote: I am getting sick of these jew jets flying around freely over Syria with no hindrance. USAF or USN-AF are not bombing Iranian or Syrian assets. Israel is doing that. Iranian allies and assets are exposed to Israeli air power. Iran and its allies need to come up with a joint program to create a potent fighter jet that can guard their militias and assets. This Azarakhsh/Saeghe/Kowsar program is perfect in sense that cost is low and they can provide air cover as well. I am thinking of final product of this F-5A/E/F R&D project.
I think i saw Kowsar as a good potential that you mention about fighter jet it has modern avionics and advance radar that similar to EL/M-2032 radar and has range of 80-90km and just 7.5 Million $ it will be an efficient aircraft for both Syria and Iran
#29
(09-21-2018, 04:07 AM)07_SeppDietrich Wrote: I think i saw Kowsar as a good potential that you mention about fighter jet it has modern avionics and advance radar that similar to EL/M-2032 radar and has range of 80-90km and just 7.5 Million $ it will be an efficient aircraft for both Syria and Iran

Mass produced 4th generation F-5 (Further derivative of Kowsar) would not stand a chance against F-35I Adir but it would cause severe problems for fourth generation intruders like F-16I. We do not know what avionics will be installed if such plane goes into mass production but if they will be an improvement from what they showed with Kowsar then that plane will truly be a fourth generation combat machine. All they need to do is somehow procure TOT for avionics and A2A weaponary from China such as KLJ-7A AESA, Honguang-1 EO-IRST with HMD . With proper integration with Air defense and ground radars these fighters can cause lots of problems for intruders. Each key base can be guarded by 2 squadrons. Like i said before Iranian allies in the region needs air cover otherwise they will keep getting pounded by Israeli jets. Even if 3-4 Israeli jets are brought down how wold Israeli public react to that ?

Russia will not provide anything to Iran, Iraq or Syria in future.
#30
Hello, I think that after many years of effort (more than 15 years) we will soon see the real "Saeqeh-3": category of JF-17, with new fuselage, powered with one RD-33 (in future reverse engineered), many internal parts and technologies of F-5 series and Chinese avionics tested on Kowsar.

Geo
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