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Su-22 fighter-bomber
#16
(12-05-2018, 06:26 AM)Eagle2009 Wrote: ALCON,

So, there's definitely no images/vids here showing a potentially 1500km range so no idea what they're alluding to in the news piece.

The only "newish" items on display is the small glide bombs and the rather fancy designator pod (definitely new).

This pod is interesting because late model Fitters (M3 & M4s) have a built-in but somewhat limited laser designator known as the "Klen". It's the small window on the underside of the intake shock cone (in earlier models it contained only a laser designator). This built-in system was however sufficient to allow late model Fitters to carry laser-guided variants of the Kh-25/29 missiles. However, the limited view of this window (elevation limited to 35 degrees downward) prevented it from carrying laser guided bombs such as the KAB-500L/1500L since bombs fall away and often fall behind their launch platforms.

Now, since we see the Bina laser-guided missile on display, this gives us a few hints. Since it is a missile, I would think the Fitter's existing guidance system could work with it (though 1st gen Soviet laser seekers are a bit different than 1st gen US designs).

Assuming for a moment that the existing Klen system can guide the Bina, why the pod?

My Theory: The presence of the Pod either means the Klen is NOT compatible with the Paveway-style seeker used by the Bina AND/OR it's actually meant to give the Fitter the ability to carry precision guided bombs and thus expanding the list of munitions it can carry.

The pod is quite interesting, especially how small it appears to be. While it stinks that is deprives the Fitter of a pylon, the expanded munition options it provides does outweight it in my mind.

I haven't seen much talk online about this pod so I think I'll do some sniffin..

Inevitably someone will tell you it's Chinese in origin xD

Anyway, do you think this pod could work with the F-4 and Su-24 fleet as well? Iran's very late to the laser guided bomb party. They are a standard in air forces now, with dumb bombs more or less as a backup or for specific situations. I don't think it's the case with Iran.
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#17
F-4 use TLS-99 laser designator pods but this pod is EO/IR Targeting & surveillance pod named Oghab 11 and it is built under license by iranian optic industrie and I red somwhere they were in fact intended for F4E(but not sure are they really intended for F-4E since B.Taghave is source for that ) ...any way pods like this are independent devices and they can be added to any aircraft...it is just metter of capability of aircraft to carry havy load...
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#18
Here is one clean look on this pod.


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#19
AmirPatriot,

Iran's experience with PGMs is quite an odd one. There's plenty of evidence they started trying to reverse-engineer 1st generation Paveway seeker/guidance in the final days of the Iran-Iraq War. But, it seems few of the many designs they've toyed with ever made it to mass production and progress in improving the original imported US tech seems limited until fairly recently.

The Sattar family of PGMs is a good example of this. The first members of this family apparently date to the late 80s or very early 90s. The Sattar 1 appears to have used a laser-seeker similar to the AS30L (perhaps obtained via Iraqi Mirage F1 "refugees"?). However all other members of the family appear to use the 1st generation Paveway seeker design and the then-newly design TLS-99 guidance pod. To this day, the only variant we KNOW was ever put into serious production was the recent Sattar bombs used by the IRIAF against ISIS forces in Iraq several years ago. They were launched from F-4s carrying the now 20+ year old TLS-99 guidance pods.

So it's great to see a new guidance pod but whether it will make it into widespread use, is hard to guess.

As to whether it could be mounted to other aircraft, that actually more depends on electrical/wiring than anything else. As long as the wiring is fairly compatible or easily modified, it shouldn't be a major problem. However, modifying older aircraft to carry it will likely be somewhat time consuming. For the record, the Su-24MK has a built-in laser & TV guidance system ("Kaira I believe) which negates the need for such a pod. In its case, it's an issue of mating Iranian-built PGM to the Fencer's Kaira computer.
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#20
(12-06-2018, 05:54 AM)Eagle2009 Wrote: AmirPatriot,

Iran's experience with PGMs is quite an odd one. There's plenty of evidence they started trying to reverse-engineer 1st generation Paveway seeker/guidance in the final days of the Iran-Iraq War. But, it seems few of the many designs they've toyed with ever made it to mass production and progress in improving the original imported US tech seems limited until fairly recently.

The Sattar family of PGMs is a good example of this. The first members of this family apparently date to the late 80s or very early 90s. The Sattar 1 appears to have used a laser-seeker similar to the AS30L (perhaps obtained via Iraqi Mirage F1 "refugees"?). However all other members of the family appear to use the 1st generation Paveway seeker design and the then-newly design TLS-99 guidance pod. To this day, the only variant we KNOW was ever put into serious production was the recent Sattar bombs used by the IRIAF against ISIS forces in Iraq several years ago. They were launched from F-4s carrying the now 20+ year old TLS-99 guidance pods.

So it's great to see a new guidance pod but whether it will make it into widespread use, is hard to guess.

As to whether it could be mounted to other aircraft, that actually more depends on electrical/wiring than anything else. As long as the wiring is fairly compatible or easily modified, it shouldn't be a major problem. However, modifying older aircraft to carry it will likely be somewhat time consuming. For the record, the Su-24MK has a built-in laser & TV guidance system ("Kaira I believe) which negates the need for such a pod. In its case, it's an issue of mating Iranian-built PGM to the Fencer's Kaira computer.

Interesting. I thought the F-4s that attacked ISIS were using dumb bombs, based on their attack profile.

I doubt they got any tech from the AS30L. I hardly think any of the mirages flew over with weapons, given that Saddam hoped Iran would give the aircraft back.

What I really want to see is Iran developing smaller/lower profile PGMs like the SDB. It's use by the Israelis was impressive.
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#21
(12-06-2018, 12:41 PM)AmirPatriot Wrote: Interesting. I thought the F-4s that attacked ISIS were using dumb bombs, based on their attack profile.

I doubt they got any tech from the AS30L. I hardly think any of the mirages flew over with weapons, given that Saddam hoped Iran would give the aircraft back.

What I really want to see is Iran developing smaller/lower profile PGMs like the SDB. It's use by the Israelis was impressive.

I read somewhere that Mirages came with tons of ammunition and spare parts. In fact I remember reading that there were separate cargo planes loaded with stuff related to MF-1 fleet. No other Iraqi refugee plane came with so much detailed spares. 

There was post on old IMF regarding this. May be on MF-1 page itself.

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