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IRIAF MIG-29
#11
Joke fleet until massively upgraded to SMT standard with additional purchases of SMT or M2 to raise 4 squadrons at least.
#12
(07-31-2018, 11:16 PM)Emirzaad Wrote: Joke fleet until massively upgraded to SMT standard with additional purchases of SMT or M2 to raise 4 squadrons at least.

atleast still better than 9.12B (Iran use 9.12A version) which no ECM and IFF
#13
(08-01-2018, 05:57 AM)07_SeppDietrich Wrote:
(07-31-2018, 11:16 PM)Emirzaad Wrote: Joke fleet until massively upgraded to SMT standard with additional purchases of SMT or M2 to raise 4 squadrons at least.

atleast still better than 9.12B (Iran use 9.12A version) which no ECM and IFF

This old aircraft with its short range, in such low numbers can provide no relief to IRIAF.  IRIAF can get the fulcurum fleet upgraded (20  airframes) and government can somehow bargain with foreign supplier to provide with additional numbers.
#14
Yes, the SMT upgrade is required urgently. IRIAF has so far maintained these airframes very well. I'm sure these are not useless, hell better than the F-5 and F-7 Air Guards. Those are now really a joke, no matter how many tails we put on the F-5, it will stay an F-5.

The F-5 and F-7 need to be donated to the IRGC, who in turn can give them to Syria and Yemen, when the time comes.
#15
(08-10-2018, 03:49 AM)lulldapull Wrote: Yes, the SMT upgrade is required urgently. IRIAF has so far maintained these airframes very well. I'm sure these are not useless, hell better than the F-5 and F-7 Air Guards. Those are now really a joke, no matter how many tails we put on the F-5, it will stay an F-5.

The F-5 and F-7 need to be donated to the IRGC, who in turn can give them to Syria and Yemen, when the time comes.

The IRGC doesn't need fast jets anyway. They can do fine with Tucanos (or equivalent) and helicopters.
نه شرقی، نه غربی، جمهوری اسلامی
#16
Presence of upto ~ 48 x Mig-29 (M2/SMT+Mig35) means IRIAF does not need any more point defenders or CAP interceptors. Maintenance of F-5E/F (and Saeghe abominations) fleet is a financial burden on IRIAF nothing else. Them and F-7 and Mirages .... Same amount can be used to maintain a meaningful interceptor force of upgraded fulcrums. Four to five squadrons of 12 aircraft each will be enough to guard Nuclear reactors and cities along with F-14AM, F-4E/D (upgraded), Su-30SM.
#17
(08-10-2018, 01:16 PM)Emirzaad Wrote: Presence of upto ~ 48 x Mig-29 (M2/SMT+Mig35) means IRIAF does not need any more point defenders or CAP interceptors. Maintenance of F-5E/F (and Saeghe abominations) fleet is a financial burden on IRIAF nothing else. Them and F-7 and Mirages .... Same amount can be used to maintain a meaningful interceptor force of upgraded fulcrums. Four to five squadrons of 12 aircraft each will be enough to guard Nuclear reactors and cities along with F-14AM, F-4E/D (upgraded), Su-30SM.

The F-14 gets a pass because it's incredible long range intercept capability is so good. But is it financially viable to maintain even MiG-29s as point defence interceptors? Their notoriously short range somewhat absolves them of offensive operations which multirole aircraft like the Su-30 are capable of.
نه شرقی، نه غربی، جمهوری اسلامی
#18
(08-11-2018, 09:37 PM)AmirPatriot Wrote: The F-14 gets a pass because it's incredible long range intercept capability is so good. But is it financially viable to maintain even MiG-29s as point defence interceptors? Their notoriously short range somewhat absolves them of offensive operations which multirole aircraft like the Su-30 are capable of.

Mig-29 SMT (possible upgrade for 9.12A) and Mig-35 have large Ferry ranges. Mig-29 SMT upgrade with its spine fuel tanks can fly to 2200 km on internal fuel. They can serve as lower layer BVR CAP fighters along with F-4E/D (upgraded massively to carry new radars + BVR). They will be supplemented by hit and run small formations of F-14AM while outer layers will be composed of Su-27 MK3 or Su-30SM. This is a formidable defense against regional foes. Some 5 squadrons of Migs (60), 4 squadrons of F-4E/D(44-48), 3 squadrons of F-14AM (36), 5 squadrons of Su-27SM3 or Su-30SM (60). 

IRIAF, like I said before is a weak defensive force whose primary job is to resist aerial invasion of Iran. To turn it into an offensive arm, IRIAF needs at-least 24 squadrons of 4+ generation which just can not happen that easily.
#19
(08-11-2018, 11:42 PM)Emirzaad Wrote: IRIAF, like I said before is a weak defensive force whose primary job is to resist aerial invasion of Iran. To turn it into an offensive arm, IRIAF needs at-least 24 squadrons of 4+ generation which just can not happen that easily.

Sure, at first it can be a defensive force. But I think a war with Saudi Arabia is likely within the next 10 years and a defensive IRIAF may not be enough to win the war. If Saudi limits it's attacks to tactical targets like airbases, ships and missile garrisons, Iran will have difficulty in responding proportionally because of the cost of using precision missiles in large numbers. The recent Fateh Mobin test does give Iran a credible pinpoint strike weapon which it may not have had before, but these missiles still have to get through THAAD and PAC-3. The Saudi ABM failing against Houthis right now is PAC-2. And if Iran wants to secure an undisputed victory, it would have to do serious damage to the Saudi military. Bombing aircraft shelters is an option, but the Saudis have 150 fighters now and will have over 300 when their orders are fulfilled. And some of those are out of range of even Zolfaqar, where Iran's MRBMs are too inaccurate to hit them. Even if half the Saudi air force is within range, getting enough Fateh-type missiles to penetrate THAAD/PAC-3 and hit 150 relatively small targets reliably is a challenge. A long range cruise missile may alleviate these limitations on Iran.

I put the emphasis on a tactical response because Iran cannot really attack strategic targets first like oil production facilities and export terminals without the US stepping in. It would be very easy for Iran to flood Saudi defences with Zelzals and the like, but Iran could only really pull this off if the Saudis did it first, giving Iran a reasonable justification (keeping in mind the Saudi/US propaganda machine would be working overtime against Iran. It's Saudi's dream for the US to attack Iran) to respond. Even then there is a risk of a tanker war situation where the US still does something, but Iran wants to win the war here.

And I think it is essential for Iran to deliver a crushing defeat to Saudi. If Saudi attacks, their objective would be to humiliate and hurt Iran, damaging it's prestige and regional influence. They will attack at the height of their military power, which is when they have over 300 F-15s and EF Typhoons, and hundreds of THAAD/PAC-3 interceptors. By crushing their air force and humiliating Saudi instead, we would both damage their influence and their military power. If they decide to attack strategic targets, we can destroy their economy too. Either way, in any war we have to sieze the opportunity to prove our military strength to the world and become indisputable top dog of the region.
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